17:04:16 From Gabor Erdosi : Reacted to “Greetings everyone.” with 👋

17:04:22 From Mary Murphy : 👋

17:05:32 From Sameer Dossani : That is such a great discussion.

17:13:05 From Sameer Dossani : GLP1s as a tool to help carb addicts manage and ultimately get over their addiction. That sounds sensible.

17:16:03 From Sameer Dossani : Dr. Gerber’s website: https://jgerbermd.com/

17:17:00 From Nancy Whittington : Reacted to “Dr. Gerber’s website…” with 👍

17:18:43 From Sameer Dossani : I wasn’t being facetious Ivor. It is a sensible idea in some circumstances. I’d prefer they change their diet, learn to fast, etc. but in some cases it may be needed

17:23:07 From Ivor Cummins : Reacted to “I wasn’t being facet…” with 👍

17:24:28 From Sameer Dossani : Have these drugs been tested at these dosage levels? I came across Stephen Fry’s nightmare story with Ozempic yesterday. He was vomiting 5 times a day.

17:33:47 From Mary Murphy : Graham, are you aware of a person known as Pharmacist Ben? He also has left the medical establishment behind. Has many great insights and, of course some blind spots.

17:36:46 From Mary Murphy : Graham, the point of my post was just to comment about Pharmarcist Ben in case you hadn’t heard of him.

17:41:11 From Sameer Dossani : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35873236/

17:44:36 From Nancy Whittington : G’s whole book available as PDF free download

17:44:57 From Sameer Dossani : Do you have a link Nancy?

17:46:24 From Nancy Whittington : Just do search of deadly medicines and organized crime dr gotzsche

17:47:55 From Sameer Dossani : Reacted to “Just do search of de…” with 👍🏾

17:50:48 From Dominic Dunne : That fibre experiment was only n=63, but 100% remission is telling

17:51:03 From Sameer Dossani : Reacted to “That fibre experimen…” with 👍🏾

17:52:04 From Dominic Dunne : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3435786/

17:52:09 From Gabor Erdosi : The study mentioned

Ho, Kok-Sun. “Stopping or Reducing Dietary Fiber Intake Reduces Constipation and Its Associated Symptoms.” World Journal of Gastroenterology 18, no. 33 (2012): 4593. https://doi.org/10.3748/wjg.v18.i33.4593

17:52:33 From Dominic Dunne : Sally Norton

17:53:15 From Dominic Dunne : Which vegetables we eat today were around 10,000 years ago, let alone over past few hundred thousand years…

17:53:57 From Sameer Dossani : Replying to “Which vegetables we …”

None. But humans may have been eating tubers in some environments

17:55:01 From Dominic Dunne : What would the tuber have been like and when in the year would they have been edible

17:57:25 From Dominic Dunne : What about the Max Planck institute collagen isotopes?

17:57:29 From Mary Murphy : Ivor, oxalates accumulate over the long term so you can’t tell anything by how you feel in the present. What you’ve accumulated over your lifetime, you will pay for at some point.

17:57:38 From Ivor Cummins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2v6AnEyuU

17:58:56 From Gabor Erdosi : She, Jianqing, Gulinigaer Tuerhongjiang, Manyun Guo, et al. “Statins Aggravate Insulin Resistance through Reduced Blood Glucagon-like Peptide-1 Levels in a Microbiota-Dependent Manner.” Cell Metabolism 36, no. 2 (2024): 408-421.e5. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmet.2023.12.027

17:59:06 From Sameer Dossani : Reacted to “She, Jianqing, Gulin…” with 👍🏾

17:59:26 From Ivor Cummins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2v6AnEyuU

17:59:48 From Ivor Cummins : https://proteinpower.com/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/

18:00:19 From Dominic Dunne : Reacted to “She, Jianqing, Gulin…” with 👍

18:00:41 From Dominic Dunne : Reacted to “https://www.youtube….” with 👍

18:02:33 From Ivor Cummins : UCL London – get one of their guys for future session

Bobby Levin

They released the total plaque volume change on twitter. The number 18 seems to be the one that people are challenged by.
17:26:13 From Moira Newiss The Brain Energy Reboot Expert : Are you saying that the before and after measurements are not really comparable?
17:26:43 From Sameer Dossani : Replying to “Are you saying that …”

No, he’s saying that you can’t take data from one study and make conclusions about another study.
17:27:14 From Moira Newiss The Brain Energy Reboot Expert : Replying to “Are you saying that …”

Yes, I got that but I thought he was suggesting the other too – good to know not!
17:27:37 From S9061797 : Replying to “Are you saying that …”

… but n=100 doesn’t help – hence the fairly low quality of fit even with baseline plaque?
17:30:57 From Sameer Dossani : Replying to “Are you saying that …”

@S9061797 N=100 doesn’t mean that it’s meaningless. Maybe it can’t answer all the questions, but it does answer some.
17:33:20 From Sameer Dossani : Statins increase NO signalling I believe.
17:34:02 From Mary Murphy : sharryedwards@gmail.com is a guest suggestion. Ivor, it’s okay to kick this can down the road. I just include it in the chat so that’s it’s available should you and Gabor decide to have her for a guest.
17:36:26 From Moira Newiss The Brain Energy Reboot Expert : But there are many risk factors for atherosclerosis…
17:37:54 From Sameer Dossani : I would challenge that a little. The question is whether high ApoB as an isolated variable is inherently athersclerotic. This is the only population within which this question can be tested.
17:40:16 From Idan : Why is it absurd that molecules made by your body can harm you in the long term?
17:42:16 From Ivor Cummins : Nail on head Malcolm.

I used to always share this comparative analysis (KT) exemplar to help people stay within the rational/logical realm. Professor Karl Popper would be laughing in his grave at this one, based on his logical asymmetry of proof rules. This study kinda ended it for me. The Tsimane had broadly the same ApoB levels as the Western population, while they demonstrate the lowest CVD on the planet (the Westerners having the highest CVD on the planet):

And yes the worst Westerners tend to have higher Apob, sure. Because it is a great (but fallible) proxy for Hyperinsulinemia – see here for one example: https://thefatemperor.com/2015-5-5-hilarious-apob-now-being-used-as-predictor-of-insulin-resistance-cholesterol-lchf/

Comparative Analysis and tools of logic….ain’t just for Measles!
17:43:12 From Sameer Dossani : Replying to “Why is it absurd tha…”

You’re kidding right? The human body has millions of years behind it all geared towards one thing – survival. It’s possible that our bodies would want to kill us, but it’s certainly not the null hypothesis. You would need a lot of evidence to support such a hypothesis. And it just doesn’t exist.
17:43:24 From Marion Paul – Saskatchewan, Canada : How long does it take for plaque to calcify?
17:45:07 From S9061797 : Replying to “Why is it absurd tha…”

Devils advocate – some people make an awful lot of insulin. Short term “firefighting” can cause long term issues in some cases. Pulling Calcium out of bones might be another?
17:46:13 From Sameer Dossani : Replying to “Why is it absurd tha…”

But this is in the context of modern diets and modern living. People outside of that context don’t have these issues, or maybe just in really odd genetic abnormalities.
17:54:17 From Sameer Dossani : These issues with the imaging is why they got Matthew Buddoff in the first place! He’s the damn expert!

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17:26:54 From Moira Newiss The Brain Energy Reboot Expert : What about this study on women? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37958602/
17:27:32 From Moira Newiss The Brain Energy Reboot Expert : It was a great study taking women on keto diets and putting them back on a standard diet and health markers got worse.
17:29:06 From Dominic : Yes Ivor
17:31:32 From Mary Murphy : We missed you so much. It happens where I live too so I understood.
17:35:40 From Dominic : I saw that the butter also included cases where it included seed oils, so the butter wasn’t exactly butter… “Science”
17:37:25 From Mary Murphy : Reminding our hosts that Sharry Edwards’ email is sharryedwards@gmail.com. She’d be a great guest regarding frequencies. Everything is frequency. She has otoacoustic hearing which we all once had.
17:43:43 From Nancy Whittington : Ivor the measles death in Texas was from pneumonia not from measles.

I rarely get sick either. It’s been over 6 years for a cold. I remember because we moved.
17:48:37 From Mary Murphy : Replying to “I haven’t been sick …”

Cool.
17:48:51 From heather.rosa : horizonal and naked Ivor!
17:48:56 From Dominic : Reacted to “I listen to what Sar…” with 👍
17:50:45 From Andrew Spadzinski : Watch out for the satellite photos Ivor, when you are stripped down …
17:50:53 From heather.rosa : Reacted to “Watch out for the sa…” with 😂
17:51:16 From Nancy : Reacted to “Watch out for the sa…” with 👍
17:55:10 From flora : where can we find your Ukraine video?
17:56:06 From Nancy : Reacted to “I listen to what Sar…” with 👍
17:57:07 From Ivor Cummins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-RnDNy0Iew
17:57:43 From Ivor Cummins : https://youtu.be/9lRN7Yt2eas
17:59:49 From Marion Paul – Saskatchewan, Canada : Thank you Ivor
17:59:50 From heather.rosa : thanks

Email from Vladimir after session!

Hi Ivor, it was great to talk to you again!

These are article that I mentioned, one on transplant arteriosclerosis:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359644624003271

and another trying to connect all types of arterial neointimal formations in different diseases:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987720313785

The irony is that most doctors/scientists likely also doubt the orthodox belief, but they know where money comes from. I admire your persistence, because I feel that nothing could be changed, probably I am wrong.

Lately I switched my effort toward the problem of life origin on Earth, and already published a couple articles.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/ast.2021.0161

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2023.0011?

Talk to you soon.

Vladimir